I actually think this is quite similar to why a massive faction of the Left hates Ukraine and spouts these same narratives. The participants in movements like Occupy and BLM are embittered at their failure to change anything. And thus embittered at people elsewhere who did manage to change something.
The moment you stated “people united together toppled the government” is when any person who followed the coup of 2014 starts chuckling - it was a well funded, well organized coup - by those who later boasted about spending mere 5 billions for such a lush prize. Get real.
Your comment essentially confirms, yet again, everything written in this essay about the Dissident Right and mostly about anyone with anti-Ukraine stance in the West.
You should consider how much of your understanding of events in Ukraine in 2014 matches the views pushed by the Kremlin.
"The revolution was particularly significant in its demonstration of a real threat, perhaps for the first time throughout Ukraine’s independence, to Russia’s influence on Ukrainian politics and civil society. Realising the revolution would serve as a catalyst for a powerful campaign seeking to solidify Ukraine’s ambitions to join the European Union in the future, Russia launched an aggressive and large-scale propaganda effort to discredit the Revolution of Dignity and nullify the Ukrainian civil society’s explicit expression of a desire to look westwards. The Russian propaganda campaign attempted to infiltrate both the global and Ukrainian media spaces. With some of its remnants being echoed by countries today, it goes to show how fast propaganda narratives are able to spread and how dangerous they can be to national security. At a time when Ukraine is in need of strong allies in its fight for democracy and freedom, it can only rely on those who have successfully identified purposefully introduced Russian propaganda narratives as exactly that – propaganda, with no truth to it."
"The narratives crafted by Russian political elites, imbued with historical myths, portraying Russia as a great power, and emphasizing the significance of strong leadership in preventing times of turmoil, especially during Vladimir Putin’s tenure, and disseminated through state-owned media, have influenced Russia’s foreign policy standing and its relations with the West (Baumann, 2020; Claessen, 2021; Miskimmon and O’Loughlin, 2017). Returning to Anderson’s (1998) concept of ‘imagined communities’ – the idea that individuals within a nation may share common ideals and opinions through shared narratives, despite lacking personal connections – narratives disseminated through various channels play a pivotal role in shaping Russian identity (Hinck et al., 2018; Szostek, 2017)."
This was a coup, but organized and financed not by "the West", but by Ukrainian oligarchs, who were not satisfied with Sasha the Dentist, Yanukovich's son.
Well, here I strongly disagree. Whatever some hidden undercurrents (if any), Maidan was first and foremost the expression of the will of the Ukrainian people - their deepest desire to go away from the Russian orbit and join the European Civilization, which they have always naturally belonged to and gravitate towards. This and only this explains the Russian aggression against Ukraine. Russians simply couldn't accept it that there is a Slavic, essentially Russian-speaking, nation nearby that is more civilized and prosperous than them who wanted to follow a superior civilizational path - a path towards Europe away from Eurasian primitivism espoused by Russia.
which they have always naturally belonged to and gravitate towards
Your view on Ukraine is too much idealized. Yes, the war which Ukraine is waging now, is justified, and Russia is an aggressor, that's correct. But if Ukraine is a victim it does not necessarily mean it is flawless. Ukrainian elite is corrupt. Some parts of Ukrainian people maybe gravitate to Europe, just because they want to live in Europe and get European salaries. Of course, Ukrainians are good workers, so they mostly do not live on European expenses like Levantinian and African refugees. But most of all Ukrainians just do not interest for "democracy", "freedom", "human rights" and all other Freemasonic bullshit, which has destroyed Europe. Maybe you do not know that in 2913 the most popular foreign politician in Ukraine was Putin, and in 2021 - Lukashenko.
"Naturally belonged"? Well, when Ukrainians are naturally Europeans, so all Caucasian and Steppe Türks are too. Ukrainians are just Slavized Becinek and Qipcak Türks of the Western part of the Great Steppe. Just look at the Ukrainian flag. What do you see? The Eternal Blue Sky, Kök Tengri, and the Great Steppe, Uly Dala. Ukrainian coat of arms is a Tamga. Three greatest Ukrainian cities, Kiev, Charkov, Odessa were founded by Türkic peoples, Hazars, Qipcaks and Tatars respectively. Many small towns have Türkic names. Ukrainian folklore song Duma is just our Nogay Tolgaw. Ukrainian music instruments are modified Kobyz and Dombyra. Ukrainian folk hero is some Kozak Mamay. Very Slavic, really? I do not know, which Mamay is it, Mamay of Qirim in the 14th century, or two Mangyt cousins, Mamay Shah and Mamay Musauly, in the 16th century. But the origin of this folklore figure is clear. And even Taras Bulba, invented by Gogol (Hohol=Kekel), he and his story were modelled on Nogay prince, poet and batyr Dosmambet Azavli and his son Kosay. I am sure, that Ukrainians are just one part of the World of the Great Steppe.
Of course, the Halychany, Boyki, Guzuly, Lemky, Rusyny, and other Slav tribes of Carpathian region and of former Polish, Romanian, Slovak and Hungarian territories ARE Europeans. But they are not Ukrainians. Ukraine came to them with Stalin's annexations of 1939-1946, and these peoples fought against Soviet Ukraine until 1960.
Every coup ever in history WAS supported by a part of population, and by a part of army or security forces, which were unsatisfied with the politics of the ruling elite. There were not and there are not fully "artificial" coups, fully manipulated and organized from abroad, without any domestic causes and support. But every coup should be organized and financed, and this is done not by "people" (stupid crowd), but by some particular men and women with power and money. In Ukraine these were the oligarchs (and not all of them were Jews, by the way). The foreign support was not so important as the Russians want us to believe, American role was rather weak. But European politicians have supported Maydanites, and these European politicians were very specific. Cate Ashton (former CND, a KGB Front), Rebecka Harms (Die Gruenen, also Stasi Affiliate), Cohn-Bendit (former Trotskyist terrorist), Barroso (former Maoist terrorist), etc. All "demons", Leftist, Trotskyist, Satanist. The forces which have destroyed Europe.
I think we can say so. The Maydan has internal causes and reasons, many people disliked Yanukovich and Co. But the organization and financing were done by Ukrainian oligarchs and some support was done by foreign forces. Anyway the Ukrainian internal forces and causes were much more powerful and important than the foreign ones.
You’re drinking your own Cool Aid and enjoying the “always leaning to the West” story promulgated by the like of Timothy Snider. Maidan was obviously instigated and supported by rival oligarchs and CIA - Victoria Nuland clearly said and named how much they spent. It has been well established who were the snipers killing Maidan idiots. Ukraine is an artificial country with four very distinct competing regional identities who were always balancing at the brink of civil war during previous Maidans (there were others, you know that, right?)
Story about Russia not accepting “yearning to be free and invading the country because its primitive barbarism” - leave it for Soros Foundation grant proposal or job Joni review with Voice of America. They like the Russophobes and you will fit right in.
It has been well established who were the snipers killing Maidan idiots.
Mercenaries, SAS veterans.
Everybody knows which country stirs wars and revolution elsewhere, sitting in safety on its damned island. It is financing all "revolutionaries" and "freedom fighters", provokes wars and then left the peoples, which were used as beartraps, stay under reign. Arabs in the WW1, Poles in WW2, Ukrainians in WW3, just the cannon fodder of "British" ruling elites (of Phoenician-Semitic origin, not of English one, the English are under foreign rule, not less than Russians or Ukrainians are).
Ukraine is an artificial country with four very distinct competing regional identities
How many regional identities has Russia, the US, Red China, France? Maybe Germany has one identity? No it does not. There is not much common between Germanized Slavs in Mecklenburg and Brandenburg, and Germanized Türks in Bavaria, and Germanized Celtics in Hessen. Belgium and Canada are just artificial countries without any ethnical identity, and Switzerland does not have it also.
In Belgium Walons and Vlaams despise each other, but still live in one country. Maybe because the British did not and do not want to destroy this state, like they did it in Ukraine and in many other states.
Good read - I concluded much the same in this short video.
Ultimately its a mix of donations from Russian slush funds to the main influencers, and their content creating orbitters & para social bros falling into line, and that of envy and a sort of sullen resentment at Ukrainians lack of cultural and national deracination.
The Ukraine war has revealed them for what they have always been. Self interested & profoundly demoralised opportunists.
They will always gravitate to low-hanging fruit and doomerism, because the latter sells, and the former is free and easy with Russian Active Measures being so prevalen.t
When President George W. Push said in a joint address to Congress that "Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.”, many countries and many leaders on the left made comments along the lines that world is not so binary, one doesn't have to take sides, and some even said this is US' fight. Yes, most of the Western allies did join in the war a few weeks later, but often with a token force to ensure that they counted as “with us", most did very little to fight the wars that followed.
Now those in Ukrainian camp are following a similar script and trying to shame people into committing support for Ukraine against Russia. It has been an open ended support from US, and EU, with US support far outpacing European efforts. Now nearly three years later, both sides have suffered millions of casualties, Millions of Ukrainias have sought refuge in other countries, many Russians have left their country too. No diplomatic solution is sought. Questions like how long must this war be supported, how much money and resources should be kept funneling into Ukraine, what is the end objective, what is the ‘exit strategy’, are all valid questions. Ukrainian war supporters may not like such questions being raised but calling them names and trying to shame them isn't going to help. Russia maybe weakened further by a prolonged war, but Ukraine's devastation would be more complete. Not to mention that with escalating stage, risks are increasing for not only Ukraine and Russia, but others too. Time to stop this war, and war mongering.
What I also wanted to recall here is that at every moment in the winter 2013/2014 when the government and the protesters were approaching some kind of a peaceful compromise, some third force provoked violence and the compromises were thwarted. Remember that the Maydan was not violent in the beginning, but it would transformed into armed rebellion by some people with money and power.
I actually think this is quite similar to why a massive faction of the Left hates Ukraine and spouts these same narratives. The participants in movements like Occupy and BLM are embittered at their failure to change anything. And thus embittered at people elsewhere who did manage to change something.
Yes, indeed!
There's also the long-standing body of useful idiots on the left: tankies.
https://gnet-research.org/2023/10/02/tankies-a-data-driven-understanding-of-left-wing-extremists-on-social-media/
The moment you stated “people united together toppled the government” is when any person who followed the coup of 2014 starts chuckling - it was a well funded, well organized coup - by those who later boasted about spending mere 5 billions for such a lush prize. Get real.
Your comment essentially confirms, yet again, everything written in this essay about the Dissident Right and mostly about anyone with anti-Ukraine stance in the West.
And your article confirms that for progressivist left narrative is far more important than facts or reality.
You should consider how much of your understanding of events in Ukraine in 2014 matches the views pushed by the Kremlin.
"The revolution was particularly significant in its demonstration of a real threat, perhaps for the first time throughout Ukraine’s independence, to Russia’s influence on Ukrainian politics and civil society. Realising the revolution would serve as a catalyst for a powerful campaign seeking to solidify Ukraine’s ambitions to join the European Union in the future, Russia launched an aggressive and large-scale propaganda effort to discredit the Revolution of Dignity and nullify the Ukrainian civil society’s explicit expression of a desire to look westwards. The Russian propaganda campaign attempted to infiltrate both the global and Ukrainian media spaces. With some of its remnants being echoed by countries today, it goes to show how fast propaganda narratives are able to spread and how dangerous they can be to national security. At a time when Ukraine is in need of strong allies in its fight for democracy and freedom, it can only rely on those who have successfully identified purposefully introduced Russian propaganda narratives as exactly that – propaganda, with no truth to it."
https://www.weareukraine.info/special/how-russia-discredits-the-revolution-of-dignity/
"The narratives crafted by Russian political elites, imbued with historical myths, portraying Russia as a great power, and emphasizing the significance of strong leadership in preventing times of turmoil, especially during Vladimir Putin’s tenure, and disseminated through state-owned media, have influenced Russia’s foreign policy standing and its relations with the West (Baumann, 2020; Claessen, 2021; Miskimmon and O’Loughlin, 2017). Returning to Anderson’s (1998) concept of ‘imagined communities’ – the idea that individuals within a nation may share common ideals and opinions through shared narratives, despite lacking personal connections – narratives disseminated through various channels play a pivotal role in shaping Russian identity (Hinck et al., 2018; Szostek, 2017)."
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/17506352241257053
This was a coup, but organized and financed not by "the West", but by Ukrainian oligarchs, who were not satisfied with Sasha the Dentist, Yanukovich's son.
Well, here I strongly disagree. Whatever some hidden undercurrents (if any), Maidan was first and foremost the expression of the will of the Ukrainian people - their deepest desire to go away from the Russian orbit and join the European Civilization, which they have always naturally belonged to and gravitate towards. This and only this explains the Russian aggression against Ukraine. Russians simply couldn't accept it that there is a Slavic, essentially Russian-speaking, nation nearby that is more civilized and prosperous than them who wanted to follow a superior civilizational path - a path towards Europe away from Eurasian primitivism espoused by Russia.
which they have always naturally belonged to and gravitate towards
Your view on Ukraine is too much idealized. Yes, the war which Ukraine is waging now, is justified, and Russia is an aggressor, that's correct. But if Ukraine is a victim it does not necessarily mean it is flawless. Ukrainian elite is corrupt. Some parts of Ukrainian people maybe gravitate to Europe, just because they want to live in Europe and get European salaries. Of course, Ukrainians are good workers, so they mostly do not live on European expenses like Levantinian and African refugees. But most of all Ukrainians just do not interest for "democracy", "freedom", "human rights" and all other Freemasonic bullshit, which has destroyed Europe. Maybe you do not know that in 2913 the most popular foreign politician in Ukraine was Putin, and in 2021 - Lukashenko.
"Naturally belonged"? Well, when Ukrainians are naturally Europeans, so all Caucasian and Steppe Türks are too. Ukrainians are just Slavized Becinek and Qipcak Türks of the Western part of the Great Steppe. Just look at the Ukrainian flag. What do you see? The Eternal Blue Sky, Kök Tengri, and the Great Steppe, Uly Dala. Ukrainian coat of arms is a Tamga. Three greatest Ukrainian cities, Kiev, Charkov, Odessa were founded by Türkic peoples, Hazars, Qipcaks and Tatars respectively. Many small towns have Türkic names. Ukrainian folklore song Duma is just our Nogay Tolgaw. Ukrainian music instruments are modified Kobyz and Dombyra. Ukrainian folk hero is some Kozak Mamay. Very Slavic, really? I do not know, which Mamay is it, Mamay of Qirim in the 14th century, or two Mangyt cousins, Mamay Shah and Mamay Musauly, in the 16th century. But the origin of this folklore figure is clear. And even Taras Bulba, invented by Gogol (Hohol=Kekel), he and his story were modelled on Nogay prince, poet and batyr Dosmambet Azavli and his son Kosay. I am sure, that Ukrainians are just one part of the World of the Great Steppe.
Of course, the Halychany, Boyki, Guzuly, Lemky, Rusyny, and other Slav tribes of Carpathian region and of former Polish, Romanian, Slovak and Hungarian territories ARE Europeans. But they are not Ukrainians. Ukraine came to them with Stalin's annexations of 1939-1946, and these peoples fought against Soviet Ukraine until 1960.
Every coup ever in history WAS supported by a part of population, and by a part of army or security forces, which were unsatisfied with the politics of the ruling elite. There were not and there are not fully "artificial" coups, fully manipulated and organized from abroad, without any domestic causes and support. But every coup should be organized and financed, and this is done not by "people" (stupid crowd), but by some particular men and women with power and money. In Ukraine these were the oligarchs (and not all of them were Jews, by the way). The foreign support was not so important as the Russians want us to believe, American role was rather weak. But European politicians have supported Maydanites, and these European politicians were very specific. Cate Ashton (former CND, a KGB Front), Rebecka Harms (Die Gruenen, also Stasi Affiliate), Cohn-Bendit (former Trotskyist terrorist), Barroso (former Maoist terrorist), etc. All "demons", Leftist, Trotskyist, Satanist. The forces which have destroyed Europe.
I think we can say so. The Maydan has internal causes and reasons, many people disliked Yanukovich and Co. But the organization and financing were done by Ukrainian oligarchs and some support was done by foreign forces. Anyway the Ukrainian internal forces and causes were much more powerful and important than the foreign ones.
Cemil,
You’re drinking your own Cool Aid and enjoying the “always leaning to the West” story promulgated by the like of Timothy Snider. Maidan was obviously instigated and supported by rival oligarchs and CIA - Victoria Nuland clearly said and named how much they spent. It has been well established who were the snipers killing Maidan idiots. Ukraine is an artificial country with four very distinct competing regional identities who were always balancing at the brink of civil war during previous Maidans (there were others, you know that, right?)
Story about Russia not accepting “yearning to be free and invading the country because its primitive barbarism” - leave it for Soros Foundation grant proposal or job Joni review with Voice of America. They like the Russophobes and you will fit right in.
It has been well established who were the snipers killing Maidan idiots.
Mercenaries, SAS veterans.
Everybody knows which country stirs wars and revolution elsewhere, sitting in safety on its damned island. It is financing all "revolutionaries" and "freedom fighters", provokes wars and then left the peoples, which were used as beartraps, stay under reign. Arabs in the WW1, Poles in WW2, Ukrainians in WW3, just the cannon fodder of "British" ruling elites (of Phoenician-Semitic origin, not of English one, the English are under foreign rule, not less than Russians or Ukrainians are).
Ukraine is an artificial country with four very distinct competing regional identities
How many regional identities has Russia, the US, Red China, France? Maybe Germany has one identity? No it does not. There is not much common between Germanized Slavs in Mecklenburg and Brandenburg, and Germanized Türks in Bavaria, and Germanized Celtics in Hessen. Belgium and Canada are just artificial countries without any ethnical identity, and Switzerland does not have it also.
Those regional identities are not complimentary and pulling the state apart, quite different from Germany example.
In Belgium Walons and Vlaams despise each other, but still live in one country. Maybe because the British did not and do not want to destroy this state, like they did it in Ukraine and in many other states.
Good read - I concluded much the same in this short video.
Ultimately its a mix of donations from Russian slush funds to the main influencers, and their content creating orbitters & para social bros falling into line, and that of envy and a sort of sullen resentment at Ukrainians lack of cultural and national deracination.
The Ukraine war has revealed them for what they have always been. Self interested & profoundly demoralised opportunists.
They will always gravitate to low-hanging fruit and doomerism, because the latter sells, and the former is free and easy with Russian Active Measures being so prevalen.t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PR2nzcvG_8&t=
When President George W. Push said in a joint address to Congress that "Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.”, many countries and many leaders on the left made comments along the lines that world is not so binary, one doesn't have to take sides, and some even said this is US' fight. Yes, most of the Western allies did join in the war a few weeks later, but often with a token force to ensure that they counted as “with us", most did very little to fight the wars that followed.
Now those in Ukrainian camp are following a similar script and trying to shame people into committing support for Ukraine against Russia. It has been an open ended support from US, and EU, with US support far outpacing European efforts. Now nearly three years later, both sides have suffered millions of casualties, Millions of Ukrainias have sought refuge in other countries, many Russians have left their country too. No diplomatic solution is sought. Questions like how long must this war be supported, how much money and resources should be kept funneling into Ukraine, what is the end objective, what is the ‘exit strategy’, are all valid questions. Ukrainian war supporters may not like such questions being raised but calling them names and trying to shame them isn't going to help. Russia maybe weakened further by a prolonged war, but Ukraine's devastation would be more complete. Not to mention that with escalating stage, risks are increasing for not only Ukraine and Russia, but others too. Time to stop this war, and war mongering.
Putin is what the Right wants: he kills and silences the people they hate.
Ex-Aidar Swedish combatant here. You are 100% wrong so go fuck yourself, libtard.
What I also wanted to recall here is that at every moment in the winter 2013/2014 when the government and the protesters were approaching some kind of a peaceful compromise, some third force provoked violence and the compromises were thwarted. Remember that the Maydan was not violent in the beginning, but it would transformed into armed rebellion by some people with money and power.